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For your entertainment, I bring you part four of our continuing series “replying to right-wingers.” Part one of the series as well as a short explanation can be found here. The following exchange was in discussing PlameGate. Today’s installment is extra long and jam packed with juicy quotes and embarrassing misspellings (on the part of the right-winger of course, not me). Haha. The following conversation was with a right-winger about the PlameGate CIA leak. I mentioned the leak case and he started at it:

does the law include lying about President Bush? Now that we know Joe Wilson and Valerie plame are out and out liers? or do we elect them to democrat office?

Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson are out and out liars “liers”? Gee, I didn’t know that, so I took the bait and asked what he meant. His response was:

yep! just what i expected.

I persisted and asked him to kindly explain what the Wilsons had lied about. Eventually I got the following response:

joe wilson? saddam, nigeria? sent by bush? wife valerie sent him. its been proven now that they both lied about everything. go to drudge not cnn for news

Well, firstly I read the rightward-leaning Drudge on a daily basis (as with CNN), but that’s hardly the point. I calmly responded the following:

Neither Joe Wilson nor Valerie Plame Wilson have said that President Bush sent him to Niger on the fact finding mission.

It isn’t a lie if they never claimed it.

This is of course true. Wilson in his 2003 NYT op-ed claimed what has been publicly verrified: that the Vice President’s office wanted confirmation about the African yellowcake story, and so they contacted the CIA which referred Wilson to the task. I said as much and responded telling the right-winger “It isn’t a lie if they never claimed it.” His response was:

Please! is this what you call liberal truth. lie lie until people think its true, then when is debunked as a lie it always was, denie. So now bush isn’t blamed for everything? ya right.

I guess he couldn’t find any evidence proving the Wilsons were liars “liers” so he just called me a liar. Or “lier.” Whichever. Anyways, I pressed the issue and asked for proof that they were liars. He was quick to respond the following argument:

so what was it all about? wilson said bush lied in the union speech, now u denie he said it? damn it must be hell carring that liberal cross! wilson and valerie plame are proven liers. they we’re the toast of the democrats for almost 2 years, now u act like u don’t know whats going on.

I calmly responded that the 2003 State of the Union speech President Bush gave contained falsities regarding the yellowcake story (a well established fact– Iraq never did try to obtain yellowcake from Niger) and asked again for proof that either of the Wilsons were liars. Liers. Whatever.

well i guess you get your news from CBS or CNN but wilson was found to be tell “liberal truth” u know lie until it sounds true. well turns out saddam was attempting to get yellow cake from nigeria, every other country found it to be true, and of course wilson with his head up his ass did not find anything. welcome to the real world!

Welcome to the real world? At least he didn’t call me “macaca” like Republican Senator George ‘welcome to America and the real world of Virginia‘ Allen did. But he did repeat the entirely incorrect claim that Iraq tried to obtain yellowcake from Africa. I made the following, slightly exasperated response:

This is simply not true. The Bush Administration has admitted it is not true and the State Department and CIA agree with the White House that it is simply not true. Provide a credible source that says it’s true and I’ll promptly die.

Obviously he felt victorious already because he wrote:

sorry but u cant change the facts. Wilson lied about saddam not going to nigeria, im sure you won’t find it on the front pages anywhere but seek and you will find! you don’t have to die, im not muslim.

Oh good one, yeah, Muslim people kill their opponents in arguments. Yeah, I didn’t even respond to that part. I did however ask him one last time for a source to back up his crazy claims which practically amount to revisionist history. He told me to go to something called ” common voice website.” Without providing a link. A Google search for “common voice” comes up more than 77,100,000 results. The first two (and only seemingly relevant) hits were a local news and discussion website about South Carolina, and a communist website.

Somehow I don’t think he’s referring to either one. So I politely asked for a link to the website he was talking about. He wrote, and I kid you not:

the site won’t let me give u the link…keeps saying error.

What the hell does that mean? When I asked for another source (because apparently his “common voice” website was too much for him to handle), he responded simply ended it by saying “nope look your self!”

So I’m supposed to find sources for him that back up his crazy revisionist history claims that almost nobody agrees with? Gee whiz. This is the type of person we’re up against.
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You can find more installments of this ongoing series here.

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